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Self Helpless: Wherein Pete steals a blog entry title from Penn and Teller

Submitted by pwerle on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 5:57am

Work is the chapter that impresses me most in regards to Vincent's ability to maintain her masquerade, because of her contempt for every hypermasculine, jingoistic aspect of the process she entered. Knowinginly going into a losing situation like that, working with phony wornout people in a phony worthless job for what amounted to no gain, its amazing that Ned managed to hold off on snapping as long as s/he did.

As soon as Vincent mentioned Men's empowerment groups my mind immediately flashed back to my innumerable high school viewings of Fight Club. "Bob had bitch tits." The chapter went downhill from there, mostly do to my own inability to take it seriously. "A generation of men raised by women" had summed it up succinctly several years before.

Maybe I'm still locked into my masculine barriers, or maybe I'm just genuinely healthy in the head, but I have a real hard time imagining myself being as lost and powerless as some of the guys in Self. There's no empathy within me, and I instantly find myself calling bullshit towards their feelings and faux-rituals. I'm lucky as hell, my parents love both me and eachother, they allowed me to grow as I chose, and they refrained from naming me Sue unnecessarily. I hug people. My hair is gloriously thick and will never bald. I definately feel the pressures to conform to masculine ideals, I actually went to a therapist when I was younger and the main thing I gained from it was techniques on how to prevent myself from getting overly emotional and crying. But I've never felt stifled by those pressures, or honestly that they're entirely negative. I dunno, I guess I stumbled into the environment of the enlightened in-between.

I guess I can be insecure about wondering if I should be more insecure.

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"Go ahead, Cornelius, you can cry."
Submitted by Anne on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 7:32pm

For me, I gleaned that the men in this group had lived their whole lives suffering from repression.  I think Vincent adddressed this, that the men felt the only emotion they could show was anger or rage, but the truth of the reality was that they were hurting inside.  That's why I questioned the ages of the men in class today.  Among my own (guy) friends, I've noticed the difference between how one generation acts/feels/behaves and another generation, ranging from gaps of five and ten years.  My older guy friends are more stoic, more detached and emotionally dead, at the surface at least; whereas with those who are younger, even by five years, are more open to their feelings, more accepting, and more questioning.  At the same token, I've met older men who are at ease expressing their feelings and emotions and younger men who are not.

How we're raised (by parents, guardians, etc.) makes an impact.  If our parents tell us to suck it up, "be a man!" or some such, that stays with us into adulthood.  Friends, too, play a part.

All of this is in inherent in our culture.

It's good that we can talk about it, that we can discourse with each other. 

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